Chris and Jesse Finally Agree
Dr. Jesse Reimink: [00:00:00] Welcome to Planet the podcast where we talk about our amazing planet, how it works, and why it matters to you.
Christopher.
Chris Bolhuis: How you doing, Dr. Reimink?
Dr. Jesse Reimink: You know, I just, it always makes me feel good because you have said Dr. Reimink hundreds of more times than you ever planned to in your life, I think. And it makes me
Chris Bolhuis: to be clear, I roll every single time.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Internally, you say it
[00:00:30] and you're like, through gritted teeth.
Chris Bolhuis: I do it to establish credibility.
like, that's it, because you really don't deserve the... I mean,
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Hahahaha
Chris Bolhuis: just... I don't know, I don't know, it's hard, you know, it's like, um, it's like calling your best friend, sir, or something like that,
you know what I mean?
It's...
Dr. Jesse Reimink: you know Chris, we are in a professional setting here. So you gotta, you know, call me by my real name. Dr. Jesse Reimink. Hahahahaha
Chris Bolhuis: I'm looking at you right [00:01:00] now, and I'm going to tell you, and I'm going to tell everybody that's listening, this is not really that professional of a
Dr. Jesse Reimink: No, no, it's true. It's really not that professional.
Chris Bolhuis: You're wearing a hoodie.
Um, you do have the Harvard Classics though behind you.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: That's
true, That's
true. I had somebody ask me about them the other day over a Zoom meeting. And so I had to
Chris Bolhuis: Oh yeah. Tell
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're just like, what are those books behind you? Are they, for show or what? I was like, well, you know, partially, but you know, [00:01:30] they were a gift and, you know, it told him the story.
Anyway, it was good. And I have, you know what
Chris Bolhuis: Did you, did you actually give me credit for the
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Oh yeah. And I did, I give you credit. I give you credit when you're not here. Mostly. When you're not in the room is when I give you credit,
Chris Bolhuis: All
Dr. Jesse Reimink: but I also have our books, the books of people we've interviewed on this podcast, which is kind of fun
to have as well.
So I like having those in the bookshelf behind me
too. So.
Chris Bolhuis: by the way, I got another one sent to us that I got to send to
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Oh, good. Okay.
Chris Bolhuis: it was for some reason that She sent me two [00:02:00] copies and I gotta I gotta get it to you.
So
Dr. Jesse Reimink: that's all
right. Okay. Great. Hey, that's exciting. I love that stuff. We love interviewing, authors about cool geoscience books. That's really, uh, really exciting, which Chris actually is a good segue to this episode, which is a bit of a different one. really, we're going to ask you the listener a favor this week, and we're going to describe kind of what's happening, but we're really excited because We have a mobile app that is now available on the app store, on your iOS and Android app stores.
And we're really excited about this. [00:02:30] Chris, why are we excited? We've, we've been working forever, but
Chris Bolhuis: we have. This is a long time coming. It's exciting, but this is one of the few things that you and I actually full on agree. With each other, you know, like
this doesn't always happen. This is something that we both think is pretty awesome. just a little bit of the backstory on this. You know, we developed a web app a while back and it's great.
It's functional. It's pretty awesome,
Dr. Jesse Reimink: And people are using it. maybe you are one person who uses it, but, but it is being [00:03:00] used, which is a good sign and kind of what we wanted out of this, right?
Chris Bolhuis: absolutely, and this is our unique approach on a video audio book, it's got our conversational podcast, which is typical, but then it's supplemented with, know, custom designed GIFs and diagrams and schematics
and, and
video
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Chris, let me interrupt you real quick because I agree completely and I think maybe a little history of this is maybe interesting because when we started talking about doing Planet Geo, this podcast, [00:03:30] you, I think, were really of the opinion that we should do kind of like a course, you know, like a, a structured kind of flow through geoscience, like the introductory geoscience thing.
Right. And I was kind of against that.
Chris Bolhuis: It was one of our first
fights.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: yes, it was one of our first, fights about, one of our first of many fights about Planet Geo, but what ended up happening is kind of we, we batted around the idea, decided not to do it for the podcast, but we kept kind of coming back to it, circling back to it, and then, we kind of tried, we did some trial stuff [00:04:00] with, I think we recorded minerals, we recorded a couple, discussions where we, talked about minerals, and people, and, Liked it, but the feedback was you got to have visuals because like the silica tetrahedron, it's kind of hard to visualize if you don't have it in front of you.
Right? So then it kind of dawned on us, wait, we got to put images in this thing. We looked around for a long time at different platforms and basically there's no platform that does what we wanted to do. So we ended up thinking, well, crap, we got to go build it. So we're excited because this is like [00:04:30] the result of all of that work.
All of that effort, we have a mobile app, that's really nice, really polished,
Chris Bolhuis: I couldn't agree more with you, Jesse, because this is something that I am passionate about down to my soul. And that is that geoscience is a beautiful science and it needs to be visual. It is what attracted me, I fell in love with geoscience from pictures, from video segments, that the people that were teaching me, that's what [00:05:00] drew me in, so, I didn't see a lot of the things first hand, but I fell in love through the visual aspect of geoscience, and I do my best to incorporate that in my own teaching now.
It's one of the most important things. One is get people outside, get them in the field, get them to see this amazing planet that we live on. But the next best thing to that is make it absolutely as visual as humanly possible. And that's what this app is all about. this [00:05:30] technology that, by the way, is patent pending.
I mean, it's, it's, it's pretty awesome. It speaks to my own pedagogical approach to teaching geoscience.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: yeah. so we have these images, you can navigate them independently, like with a YouTube video, if you want to rewind the audio, you have to rewind the image as well. and this, you can just Scroll back and forth through images when you have a moment and then listen to the audio, separately.
So we think that's really a nice thing. The mobile app, what's really exciting is you can now download content and you can listen offline. so [00:06:00] if you're going somewhere out of service, you can download chapters and episodes. You can listen to them offline. You get the images and the audio file downloaded.
We also have some. Really nice features like the ability, to display images on your lock phone. So, you know, if you are listening to the episode, let's say you're listening to Camp Geo, Minerals, Introduction to Minerals, and you lock your screen, that image will pop up on your lock screen in your little native audio player now, which is a really nice feature.
You can just quickly glance at your phone, see what image [00:06:30] is there, and, and, you know, continue listening along.
Chris Bolhuis: That's right. One of the things to like double click on is the ability to download the content because when you're in national parks, you're usually in quite remote areas and you have limited coverage at best. And our web app is awesome, but the benefit of the mobile app is that being in these remote areas, you can download the content before you get to those remote areas and have complete and total access to it as you're, say, driving through Yellowstone [00:07:00] and wanting to learn about what exactly you're seeing and
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Yeah, Absolutely. So the mobile app now is available on the iOS and Android app store. so if you go to your app store on your phone, you can just search Camp Geo. That's what we've called the app. Or even easier, just use the link in the show notes.
There's a link down there. Click on that link. It'll automatically bring you to the app store on your phone and you can download our app. Now we've added another feature in here, which some of you requested on our web app, we only had the ability to log in [00:07:30] using either a Google password or a Facebook login, what are called social logins.
Now you can create a new account. So if you don't have Facebook, and don't want to use your Gmail account to log to Camp Geo, you can make an account using an email address and a password that is your Camp Geo login password. So Chris, this one. in our beta trials, a couple people who shall remain nameless were a little confused by this, let's say.
So, do you find this confusing, Mr. [00:08:00] I Delete All My Emails When I Run Out Of Storage Space Or Not? Ha ha
Chris Bolhuis: really fair, and no, I don't. It was a piece of cake. yeah, I did have to help my mom with this, but, you know, I guess she's not going to remain so, so nameless,
Dr. Jesse Reimink: No, that's
true. but Joyce, you know
what? It's, it's all good.
Chris Bolhuis: she's a dedicated, loyal listener.
And so that's okay.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: that's totally okay. So we're willing, you are willing to help her out whenever she needs it. So, uh, let me just double click on this real quick. When you go to Camp Geo, you can log in with your Google account, your Facebook [00:08:30] account, which uses your Facebook or Google email address.
And your password for that account. So we never know those passwords, or you can make a separate CampGeo account. You can plug in an email address there, make up a password that is now your CampGeo password, and that'll be a separate account and you can reset your password to do all of those things that you might need to do.
Chris, I get really frustrated with passwords. I use a password manager manage all my passwords. And it was like life
changing a couple of years ago when I started doing that. Cause, oh my goodness, the amount of forget your password thing. So [00:09:00] I always use the social logins. Um, or have a password manager that manages that stuff for me, and it's worth every penny, but some people don't, and they like to use, Chris Bolhuis12345 as your password
Chris Bolhuis: Yeah, that's just to be clear, Jesse. I also use a password manager
and so, that is not me. I am somewhat with the times.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Exactly.
Exactly. and the last thing to note, the web app still works. It's still up and running. It's still working. So if you like using that, through your browser window on your phone, you can continue [00:09:30] doing that. we think that the mobile app, just because it's a downloadable app has more functionality and a few more features.
So you can migrate over there.
Chris Bolhuis: You know, I, I use that downloadable feature all the time. Like when Spotify or something like that, and I love music. You know that about me. I love music. I love live music. And so when I'm in remote areas and I don't have access, I, all my playlists are downloaded and it's that same functionality that we've been able to incorporate now But Jesse, let's talk about what's in it. Right? If you go and you download the [00:10:00] Camp Geo app, okay, We have our conversational textbook that has what, Jesse, almost 30 hours of
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Oh man. Yeah. At least. Yep. covers everything from minerals, we've gotten all the way to volcanoes and earthquakes and we're, we're continuing to build that stuff in the background as well. you know, it's not quite completed. I wouldn't say it's like a, complete and total replacement for an intro to geoscience textbook, but it's pretty
dang close. It's very close. There's a couple chapters we need to, to knock off, but apart from that,
we're pretty close.
Chris Bolhuis: we're [00:10:30] still working on it, but absolutely, it's an awesome way to have this structured learning that scratches that itch for me, you know, with our discussion sitting on my front porch about how are we going to do our podcast? Well, this book it does that for me. It
Dr. Jesse Reimink: we're finally doing four years later, we're doing what
Chris wanted initially.
Chris Bolhuis: That's right. That's
right.
so we have that on there. That's free. And we have also. Are podcasts that are organized by topic
Dr. Jesse Reimink: this was an interesting, I think decision for us is that, you know, we recognize we have [00:11:00] so many podcast episodes and they don't have images integrated with them because the way we do our podcasts is, you know, we're not talking about images when they're not built on the back of images, but we decided that, you know, looking at the list, the way I wanted the podcast to work is kind of how it has worked out where it's somewhat random.
And, you know, it's kind of a random walk through geology based on whatever we're interested in talking about that week. That's not always the best for going back and learning, and so we decided to put all of our old Planet Geo episodes on our app, on the Camp Geo app, and we've [00:11:30] organized them kind of by topic, loosely based by topic, so if you want to learn about critical minerals, you can go and listen to Thank you.
Lithium, Uranium, Interview in the Daldasar, like a bunch of things in that theme. If you want to learn about streams, all of our streams episodes are in, know, a streams chapter there, which makes it a lot easier, I think, to navigate. So you can go there and listen to our old podcast episodes as well.
Chris Bolhuis: And then the other thing that you and I are Overly excited about is our Yellowstone National Park [00:12:00] video audio book.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: hold on real quick, Chris, let me interrupt here. Okay. We are a little bit struggling. So we're asking you to do a couple of things for us. One of them is to, if you have an idea, if you're using Camp Geo, if you're using the Yellowstone book, we've been calling these things between Chris, you and I, our conversations.
We've been calling them visual audio books. Um, it's not the best name ever. We'll admit that we've been calling it conversational textbooks. That's kind of a little bit better. We don't really know what to call this thing. So if you have an idea, if you're listening to it and you're [00:12:30] like, Hey, this is what they should call it.
Send us an email. Ping us with that because we'd really appreciate your feedback. We've thought too deep. We are too in the weeds to come up with like a name for what this thing is. It's more than an audio book, but anyway, if you have an
idea, let us know.
Chris Bolhuis: And, in this Yellowstone audio visual book, we have 13 chapters covered and we always start cause we're going to do not just Yellowstone. We're working on Grand Canyon, which is going to become live in a, in a couple of months. And then we're going to work on Zion and we're working our [00:13:00] way through the places that we think are where this fills a need.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: absolutely. And so the Yellowstone National Park visual audio book, and that's what we're calling it for now, has 13 chapters. We're always kind of starting each chapter on the national parks with the human history, and then we really think it's important to cover the 30, 000 foot view. Like Chris, you built this beautiful mental imagery of hanging out in a hot air balloon, Really high above the geological region and watching it for all of earth history. Just what are the major events? What are we looking [00:13:30] down on the earth and
seeing happening?
Chris Bolhuis: With a remote control in your hand, with a remote control, so you can fast forward,
you can rewind, you can push pause, and, and then, it's the way that I have always wanted to see geology.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: it's just such a beautiful visual. And it gives us kind of the overview of the geological story. And then for Yellowstone, we've gone into detail on all of, you know, the, marquee features. So. Old Faithful, Mammoth Hot Springs. We have chapters on each of those with, we get into some detailed geology there and geochemistry [00:14:00] and really interesting, important stuff.
detailed though. It's really informative and I've had my in laws went in Yellowstone, this past summer and they had this. They had our Yellowstone book and they thought that it really, really enriched their experience because they could learn about the thing while they're driving to Old Faithful and then see it and be like, Oh yeah, this makes sense.
I can picture the camera that the geologist sent down the throat of Old Faithful. Think about what it looks like inside of there. So, we think it's, it's super valuable to people.
Chris Bolhuis: Well, I know it's super valuable to people a bit [00:14:30] because that's how confident I am in the quality of this product. But, we don't just cover the marquee attractions. We also cover the major geologic concepts that surround that area, that geographic area. So Yellowstone is very different than the Grand Canyon.
And so the overarching geologic concepts are different. So we have chapters devoted to those overarching geologic concepts for that. particular place also. And it's, if this is not, I think this is important to point out too, that this is not [00:15:00] a, like a two word guidebook where you go from stop one to stop two, stop three, and so on.
this is organized in a way where, especially with a place like Yellowstone, it's so big. Hey, they have a chapter devoted to Old Faithful. We're going to go to Old Faithful today. So you can skip around, in terms of this audio textbook thing based upon where you're going to be at that
Dr. Jesse Reimink: exactly. That's a great point, Chris. And so, I think we can wrap up by asking a couple favors this week. One, go download our Camp Geo app. [00:15:30] We really would appreciate that if you go check it out. Apps, it turns out. Require ratings and reviews, and these help almost even more than podcast ratings and reviews.
So if you go and download our Camp Geo app, again, just search Camp Geo in your app store, or click on the first link in the show notes there. Download it, leave us a rating and a review, that really, really helps us, sort of build upon the framework that we've got here. and the other two things, if you have a, a, an idea for a book, an audio book, a visual audio book that you think would be really [00:16:00] interesting to have, shoot us an email.
We're, playing around with a couple different ideas of how to grow this and different things to build. And so if you have an idea, Shoot us an email, something you'd like to see there. Can't promise we'll get to it in a couple of months, but we can start thinking about what we want to do in the future there too.
So if you could do that for us, we would really appreciate it.
Chris Bolhuis: So one of the things that I want to add, Jesse, my idea for a title, and I want to, again, emphasize what you said, just if you have an idea for what we should call this, then we would appreciate an email. But my [00:16:30] idea is understanding and then fill in the blank. Like understanding Yellowstone, understanding the Grand Canyon.
Now, you don't like
it, um, but
we rarely agree on titles.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: ha! but yeah, if you have an idea for a topic or a title or any, or a different style of audio book, that would, that would be interesting.
We've talked about Chris, a short history of the earth from a geological standpoint. I mean, Hey, that's something we could probably put together If people are interested in it. So let us know what you think. And as always, you can head over to our [00:17:00] website, planetgeocast.
com. There you can like, subscribe, review, learn more about us, see our old episodes. You can also head over to the Camp Geo mobile app now to see old episodes. leave us a rating and review on your podcast app. We always appreciate that and send us an email planetgeocast at gmail. com.
Chris Bolhuis: Cheers, Erica Dahlman, next week.
Dr. Jesse Reimink: Peace.[00:17:30]
